WEBVTT 00:00:02.000 --> 00:00:07.000 It happens every time. 00:00:07.000 --> 00:00:11.000 We'll call meeting to order at 5.04. 00:00:11.000 --> 00:00:14.000 Everybody's signed in. 00:00:14.000 --> 00:00:20.000 And… we'll skip the rules of contact… conduct, because we've been through this. 00:00:20.000 --> 00:00:25.000 Before. Um… 00:00:25.000 --> 00:00:30.000 Okay, and I'll read the agenda off. 00:00:30.000 --> 00:00:33.000 I could put it up there, but I'll do it there. 00:00:33.000 --> 00:00:36.000 We have new business. 00:00:36.000 --> 00:00:41.000 We're going to discuss the Know for Vermont Farm Beginnings program. 00:00:41.000 --> 00:00:44.000 Didn't get too much information on that. 00:00:44.000 --> 00:00:46.000 But we've reached out to a couple 00:00:46.000 --> 00:00:48.000 places in, uh… 00:00:48.000 --> 00:00:53.000 Um, I know for itself hasn't replied, but we have, uh, 00:00:53.000 --> 00:00:59.000 Nordic Fruits is gonna help us with a lot of stuff. Yeah, the beginning… 00:00:59.000 --> 00:01:04.000 Not the initial one for people that are just thinking about it, but the new and beginning farmers. 00:01:04.000 --> 00:01:09.000 And then we're going to discuss the CHIP program. I left, um, on the… 00:01:09.000 --> 00:01:16.000 If you've got the agenda, there's contact, or there's a website 00:01:16.000 --> 00:01:20.000 information there where you can go on the website and look at it. What does Chip mean? 00:01:20.000 --> 00:01:23.000 Chip is the, um, it's a housing… 00:01:23.000 --> 00:01:33.000 development program. It's a $2 billion program. We'll discuss it when it… Oh, okay, I just was wondering what the acronym meant. Yeah. 00:01:33.000 --> 00:01:39.000 I forget exactly. Yeah. Yeah, we're looking at. 00:01:39.000 --> 00:01:46.000 Yeah, yeah. And then the next one is, uh, this is a quick report from the Burke Town Plan update. 00:01:46.000 --> 00:01:51.000 Greg took care of. It'll be quick. 00:01:51.000 --> 00:01:56.000 Uh, and then the whole business will just continue discussing town plan. 00:01:56.000 --> 00:01:59.000 update process. Um… 00:01:59.000 --> 00:02:04.000 So, um, let's start out with the… 00:02:04.000 --> 00:02:10.000 Farm Beginnings program, 00:02:10.000 --> 00:02:15.000 that, uh, like I said, I got in touch with the Megan 00:02:15.000 --> 00:02:20.000 who is running it, but she… she hasn't answered me yet, but we did talk to… 00:02:20.000 --> 00:02:22.000 The, um… 00:02:22.000 --> 00:02:26.000 Nordic Roots Farm and, and, uh, 00:02:26.000 --> 00:02:28.000 I read about the… the… 00:02:28.000 --> 00:02:33.000 The Farm Beginning program is actually a course, a one-year course, they… 00:02:33.000 --> 00:02:37.000 offer for people to learn 00:02:37.000 --> 00:02:40.000 How to farm, how to acquire land, 00:02:40.000 --> 00:02:43.000 how to, um… 00:02:43.000 --> 00:02:47.000 finance, what they want to start, and then… 00:02:47.000 --> 00:02:54.000 how to get experience, how to work with other people, farms, and it's a whole program to get 00:02:54.000 --> 00:02:56.000 young people think they want to farm. 00:02:56.000 --> 00:03:00.000 Farming. Now, the, um… 00:03:00.000 --> 00:03:04.000 Known for it has several programs, so when I wrote, I asked her to 00:03:04.000 --> 00:03:11.000 If this wasn't appropriate for the type of thing we want to do, could she recommend other places? But then, Nordic Farms… 00:03:11.000 --> 00:03:13.000 I think has more information. 00:03:13.000 --> 00:03:19.000 Yeah, because they're actually enrolled in one of the programs. They're enrolled in one of the programs, and they're advocates. 00:03:19.000 --> 00:03:22.000 to do that type of thing. So I think we're going to work with them 00:03:22.000 --> 00:03:25.000 And, uh, 00:03:25.000 --> 00:03:27.000 getting in with NOFA with that, too. 00:03:27.000 --> 00:03:36.000 The husband of that couple, um, actually works for the conservation district. He's, like, their farm management. 00:03:36.000 --> 00:03:38.000 person that works for the farms, too, so… 00:03:38.000 --> 00:03:41.000 Yeah, they're a good proof. Now, are they actually… 00:03:41.000 --> 00:03:44.000 Westmore residents? Are they in Charleston. They're Charleston. Charleston. 00:03:44.000 --> 00:03:47.000 They're right at the bottom of the nowhere, so… 00:03:47.000 --> 00:03:52.000 So, I can read you what they… Oh, they were the people in the yellow house. 00:03:52.000 --> 00:03:58.000 Yeah. Yeah. That's the way I can assume. Okay, they still have my turkey. 00:03:58.000 --> 00:04:08.000 Also, they're currently a climate resiliency group, and they're in the Journey Farmer, so that's the first one's, like, beginning farmer, so you don't even have to have land yet. Part of it is 00:04:08.000 --> 00:04:14.000 helping you get with acquisition, to be new or aspiring, and then the second one is Journey, where you actually work with other farms. 00:04:14.000 --> 00:04:16.000 And they're in the journey one. 00:04:16.000 --> 00:04:21.000 I know they've been working with NOPA pretty intensely, so… 00:04:21.000 --> 00:04:24.000 Now, I read about the CHIP program, and uh… 00:04:24.000 --> 00:04:27.000 I'm bringing up their website here, I hope. 00:04:27.000 --> 00:04:30.000 Oh, I don't know if I can. 00:04:30.000 --> 00:04:32.000 They're pushing a lot of money around there. 00:04:32.000 --> 00:04:40.000 $2 billion. Yeah, it's basically for, um… 00:04:40.000 --> 00:04:46.000 infrastructure, not housing, but it's… but it covered… 00:04:46.000 --> 00:04:48.000 a lot of infrastructure, roads… 00:04:48.000 --> 00:04:50.000 Um… 00:04:50.000 --> 00:04:54.000 I think sewers. Water and… waste? 00:04:54.000 --> 00:04:56.000 and water are two things. 00:04:56.000 --> 00:05:00.000 But they also, you know, in what I read, 00:05:00.000 --> 00:05:02.000 they would consider… 00:05:02.000 --> 00:05:05.000 a rural. 00:05:05.000 --> 00:05:10.000 waste system, like a septic system, or… 00:05:10.000 --> 00:05:14.000 Um, so, you know, that's… that might be appropriate. 00:05:14.000 --> 00:05:22.000 For us, where they might get into… I mean, my idea was just for… to start, at least, to do something, 00:05:22.000 --> 00:05:26.000 kind of combine the, um… 00:05:26.000 --> 00:05:29.000 idea of having 00:05:29.000 --> 00:05:33.000 people work on the farmland that's available around here. 00:05:33.000 --> 00:05:38.000 And that's what I wanted to work with NOVA for. How did they… how do we get a landowner 00:05:38.000 --> 00:05:42.000 to lease part of their land, or to do something… 00:05:42.000 --> 00:05:45.000 to have them be able to live on the land. 00:05:45.000 --> 00:05:48.000 and work to land, 00:05:48.000 --> 00:05:51.000 And the CHIP program deals with rentals, too. 00:05:51.000 --> 00:05:54.000 You know, it doesn't have to be an ownership thing. They'll… they'll… 00:05:54.000 --> 00:05:58.000 do a building, and then… and kind of combine that with the accessory dwelling. 00:05:58.000 --> 00:06:04.000 type of optional, because now you can get a 900-square-foot building on your property, 00:06:04.000 --> 00:06:13.000 lease it out to someone, or rent it to someone, lease some part of land to me. And that type of VLCT should be able to help with making a legal 00:06:13.000 --> 00:06:15.000 type of transition. 00:06:15.000 --> 00:06:19.000 These are just ideas I've had while I'm reading about it. 00:06:19.000 --> 00:06:24.000 But, you know, that would be somebody who, not farming their land anymore, they're retired. 00:06:24.000 --> 00:06:27.000 you know, they could use a little money, 00:06:27.000 --> 00:06:31.000 And, you know, they can get a… 00:06:31.000 --> 00:06:35.000 property built on their… or a building built on their property. 00:06:35.000 --> 00:06:40.000 that there would be rental property, they could lease it out, and they could lease land with it. 00:06:40.000 --> 00:06:46.000 And, uh, I'm… if we can get more than one or two state agencies involved, then maybe I have 00:06:46.000 --> 00:06:49.000 grants and stuff that'll be available. 00:06:49.000 --> 00:06:55.000 So… so your effort of studying this is to learn enough about it 00:06:55.000 --> 00:07:10.000 So we can write it into the town plan, right? Right, right. Yeah, right. To save. Just have to know what it is before you… Right. …kind of encourage it to be written in there. Right. Is there a section in the town plan that talks about… 00:07:10.000 --> 00:07:14.000 farming and that sort of thing. 00:07:14.000 --> 00:07:21.000 I mean, is there any proof that it would be applied to? We are, you know, the description of the town. 00:07:21.000 --> 00:07:24.000 was a… 00:07:24.000 --> 00:07:28.000 rural agricultural community. 00:07:28.000 --> 00:07:30.000 That's how they describe 00:07:30.000 --> 00:07:33.000 The town of Westmont. It was. 00:07:33.000 --> 00:07:35.000 We don't get miles for anymore. 00:07:35.000 --> 00:07:40.000 You know, and now… and, you know, my thing is just to counteract the amount of tourism coming in, 00:07:40.000 --> 00:07:46.000 Can we get… and, you know, rather than be a city or a town of, uh… 00:07:46.000 --> 00:07:51.000 short-term rentals. Oh, Ethan, how are you? 00:07:51.000 --> 00:07:52.000 And if you unmute yourself, I'll recognize you. 00:07:52.000 --> 00:07:55.000 I'm… I'm okay. I'm suffering from a cold. 00:07:55.000 --> 00:07:57.000 How can you… can you hear? Can you hear us? 00:07:57.000 --> 00:07:59.000 I can hear you, can you hear me? 00:07:59.000 --> 00:08:00.000 Yes, we can. 00:08:00.000 --> 00:08:01.000 Okay. 00:08:01.000 --> 00:08:08.000 Yeah, let me, uh… Let me, maybe, under agriculture? 00:08:08.000 --> 00:08:15.000 Yeah, they talk about the firm is under agriculture. 00:08:15.000 --> 00:08:19.000 Yeah, so that's, you know, I would like to, uh… 00:08:19.000 --> 00:08:22.000 pursue it to see if, you know, 00:08:22.000 --> 00:08:25.000 when it comes under, um… 00:08:25.000 --> 00:08:45.000 Conditional use, too, I think, was mention of it there. 00:08:45.000 --> 00:08:58.000 about. I see the accessory dwelling, that's already in there, you know. Right, but tying it into the accessory dwelling. See if we can with farming is your idea. Right. Okay. 00:08:58.000 --> 00:09:15.000 I just have to get along your thought process here. 00:09:15.000 --> 00:09:23.000 I lost my agenda. Let me start with those. Dr. Chip, are you done with Chip? 00:09:23.000 --> 00:09:35.000 Yeah. Is there any action item on there? Like, do you want people to look at that? Well, yeah, if everybody, you know, they have the ties to chip and to… NOFA. That's on your agenda. 00:09:35.000 --> 00:09:41.000 Yeah. Yeah, it's also then ship, then the bird company. So yeah. 00:09:41.000 --> 00:09:55.000 But I mean, yeah, that's… those are the things that everybody can look at and come up with ideas. I'd like to hear how you all feel about that, about looking at agriculture more strongly. 00:09:55.000 --> 00:10:04.000 And you know, Bob talked about it is the idea of building up our community a different way than just being tourism, you know. 00:10:04.000 --> 00:10:09.000 I think it's a win-win both ways, you know, if you can keep open land. 00:10:09.000 --> 00:10:24.000 There can be agricultural. recreation or any number of things, but you've got to provide that infrastructure again. It was familiarity when I arrived in Brattleboro. They were doing that kind of thing. 00:10:24.000 --> 00:10:31.000 Then the fields lay fallow for a while, but they got mowed every year, and then they were rented for crops. 00:10:31.000 --> 00:10:41.000 And then cattle came back onto beef cattle. And it's that whole sequence because it keeps the potential open. The potential is an open agricultural field. Good point. As soon as you. 00:10:41.000 --> 00:10:51.000 put encumbrances on that, it's not marketable in the same way. Right, right. And if we've got housing and other pieces of infrastructure, then there's possibilities for Doordick farm type bids to come along. 00:10:51.000 --> 00:11:00.000 We've got the pieces to plug together. Right. Well, something like a cattle field or sheep or anything, I mean, you're basically developing the soil. 00:11:00.000 --> 00:11:08.000 for farming later on, because they fertilize the soil, basically, so… Um, something like that's a good idea. But, you know. 00:11:08.000 --> 00:11:22.000 If you look at the future, it's like it would be nice to have some food sources around here. And not only that, but… This is a place where the mixed farm does. 00:11:22.000 --> 00:11:31.000 cattle, sheep, goats. And vegetables toe is about as regenerative as you can get. So. 00:11:31.000 --> 00:11:38.000 You know, and that's, that's what NOFA is pushing. I mean, that's, that's a sustainable agriculture. 00:11:38.000 --> 00:11:42.000 So that's why I think working with NOFA is a real good idea. 00:11:42.000 --> 00:11:57.000 Wow. I'm working with them will help you do, I mean, to develop the right language to put in here. Is that what you're thinking? Yeah. And that's yeah, I'm sure that they… I've worked on that, you know, for Tom. 00:11:57.000 --> 00:12:16.000 transitions for individual support. Transitions for people that are three sections I just found. There's one under in the bylaws that are accessory structures, and there was mention of farm, and then there's a definition of farm. 00:12:16.000 --> 00:12:26.000 And then in the town plan, there's that whole section of agriculture. So so you're kind of trying to find a way to include these ideas. 00:12:26.000 --> 00:12:45.000 More specifically in the plans. Well, yeah. I mean, trying to get it written in more right and and and uh… you know, it would be nice if, um… If you get, uh… 00:12:45.000 --> 00:12:49.000 Almost like they, uh… coalition of. 00:12:49.000 --> 00:12:57.000 young farmers, or maybe farmers, people that own land and would be willing to list list it out. 00:12:57.000 --> 00:13:02.000 you could certainly promote it that way once you got it written. Yeah, yeah. 00:13:02.000 --> 00:13:09.000 Maybe you somebody here knows more than I do about the whole idea of current use, because I know Jared Nunner, he's doing a. 00:13:09.000 --> 00:13:17.000 who's doing like a information session on what the Vermont current use law is. I wonder if that plays into this. 00:13:17.000 --> 00:13:22.000 at all. He's doing it on the 9th, I think, in Newport. It's because it's changing. 00:13:22.000 --> 00:13:27.000 Yeah, but he also wants. It's called myth busting because people have their own ideas about it. 00:13:27.000 --> 00:13:35.000 to call them what myth busting. Oh, is that his program is he? That's what he's doing the pool and grain inventing. 00:13:35.000 --> 00:13:42.000 Okay. Yeah. I thought that might be. Interesting, might actually. 00:13:42.000 --> 00:13:47.000 was I was… I was looking on the map, and I was just seeing people who, uh. 00:13:47.000 --> 00:13:54.000 Might be willing to do something like that. I know when I was up, when we were doing the Mallory case. 00:13:54.000 --> 00:14:06.000 It was interesting, because they have a lot of land that they… they're too old to farm anymore. They don't want to do anymore, you know, so… But I think like even me looking at putting cows out right is… 00:14:06.000 --> 00:14:24.000 You can have… one farm in town that you're going to supply the whole town. It's a matter of getting whatever you're raising to market, because Vermonters aren't going to buy it. Well, that's that's you know, just like the store. We don't get enough local support in the winter. If we didn't have the summer. 00:14:24.000 --> 00:14:40.000 Yeah, because everyone goes to Walmart. Yeah. Everyone goes to the big box stores. Well, that's, you know, that's one of the things with farming, too. I mean, any kind of vegetable farming, they have to have a market. And that's where NOFA comes in too. 00:14:40.000 --> 00:15:07.000 It's like, how do we create markups? I mean, that's what their purpose is. That is what NOFA's purpose is, is to create markets. Um, that's why we started the… the farmer's market here, because it's they have somewhere to sell their stuff. And in the summer, you get all the out of staters, but if you're looking at something sustainable through the whole year up here… Well, vegetable cherry. Well, that's the part that I sent it on. I don't know if it caught all of you there. 00:15:07.000 --> 00:15:16.000 He talked about swapping seeds mainly, but as you dug deeper into the article, an organization called Hard Pressed over from Hardwick. 00:15:16.000 --> 00:15:31.000 and they're looking more about looking at those supply chains with the idea that could you cook chickens, and you'll do oats, and you'll do wheat, and you've got sod, and you've got a water garden and tracking those down. And do you have a way to process your beans? Do we have a place to. 00:15:31.000 --> 00:15:35.000 storm meat on that scale. To look at our local. 00:15:35.000 --> 00:15:49.000 imprint and needs. actually identified. I don't know much more about it than that. Well, I know hardwood made a lot of… attempts at that type of thing. Yeah, they've been into that local agriculture stuff for a long time now. Yeah. 00:15:49.000 --> 00:16:02.000 Yeah, so, I mean, they've worked on it and seems, you know, and I'm again, it's like… you know, we're looking at supply chains and straighter hormones may be pushing those central. That's right. 00:16:02.000 --> 00:16:08.000 You know, you don't know what the future's gonna bring, but it would, you know, everybody's saying, you know. 00:16:08.000 --> 00:16:21.000 Get alternate means of supply chains, because you know we aren't guaranteed. And but then, you know, how do you? That's the thing with the economy comes in there, too, because. 00:16:21.000 --> 00:16:26.000 people that have farms have to make money. They have to do it. That's right now. 00:16:26.000 --> 00:16:31.000 If you want to be a young farmer in Vermont. 00:16:31.000 --> 00:16:45.000 A successful young farmer, at least one of you has to work outside that's the folks at Nordic Roots, they both work. Yeah, you can't you can't do it without working outside the home. I got to tie it back to the economy. 00:16:45.000 --> 00:16:49.000 But if it comes to some point where the farmer just wants to keep it mowed. 00:16:49.000 --> 00:16:53.000 When somebody could do the hanging, that's a game. 00:16:53.000 --> 00:16:59.000 If there's not a cash exchange, it stays open. Right, right. Yeah. Yeah. 00:16:59.000 --> 00:17:06.000 You know, that that's again, you know, this is concept stuff, but that's why looking at the NOFA program. 00:17:06.000 --> 00:17:10.000 And talking to some of the programs that Nordic Roots is in. 00:17:10.000 --> 00:17:19.000 Let's see if it's possible. But I think it's worth… I think we would like to remain an agricultural. 00:17:19.000 --> 00:17:35.000 Whether it's part-time full on it, but they they were looking at how when you got the system set up, it might have taken some energy and effort and cash to set it up. But then people are so proud of their local cheese or cottage cheese, or whatever those products might be. 00:17:35.000 --> 00:17:43.000 that that's where the money comes out of it later. Well, that's that. What's his name over in Albany, is it? Who, uh, did the yogurt business? 00:17:43.000 --> 00:17:55.000 Not sweet Rowan Butterfield, but it works. Yeah, butter works. There we go. Yeah, they're over in, uh… I mean, he made, he made this product that became very popular, and it became, you know, made a lot of money on it. 00:17:55.000 --> 00:18:00.000 But even locally, I think, like, I see that by generations, people buy that. 00:18:00.000 --> 00:18:19.000 Jeez, it's really good cheese. Yeah. Be from, like… locally from Coburns and from the butterfields. Well, Jasper Hill's been a boomer. Growing up Jasper Hill, yeah. Yeah. I mean, so they, you know… It's a good company. Yeah. Company with a heart. So it can be done, and again, it's, you know, we're in a changing. 00:18:19.000 --> 00:18:27.000 time, so, uh… Something we should consider. 00:18:27.000 --> 00:18:39.000 I wish I was 20 years younger. What's the next item in the… Okay, so I thought that I mentioned that I. 00:18:39.000 --> 00:18:46.000 Bob Burke was talking about that time plan, and they were gonna… They want a tremendous commissioner there. 00:18:46.000 --> 00:18:58.000 Yeah. So yeah, I talked to Mike Harris. is his name, and he said, yeah, they they're a little late getting it done, but they've got. 00:18:58.000 --> 00:19:02.000 something that allows them to be late, I think, like we do. 00:19:02.000 --> 00:19:20.000 But there is working with NVDA, Alison Lowell. Yeah, that's where we're. I said, yeah, we are too. It's just they're so busy, it's… how fast they're going to be able to help us. Well, actually, I have good news there is that, um. 00:19:20.000 --> 00:19:32.000 I emailed Alison Lowe, and she actually answered me and she said, sorry, it's been so long, but we're just finishing. We just finished up our plan. 00:19:32.000 --> 00:19:41.000 So their regional plan is done and they're online. So they have time now. Perfect. And she did send me a bunch of stuff. 00:19:41.000 --> 00:19:49.000 One of them is… she said the craft the survey reports. First thing I said, you know, we're looking for survey questions, and we want to see what people want to do. 00:19:49.000 --> 00:19:58.000 And so, um… She sent me… Raspberries. 00:19:58.000 --> 00:20:07.000 survey that they did. And then Brighton did a community survey, too. So I have all those questions, and. 00:20:07.000 --> 00:20:17.000 See, I don't know if I can get the Internet here. I should be able to. Did you forward those to us? Yeah, I will forward. I'll forward to the one. I'll forward to Allison's email. 00:20:17.000 --> 00:20:26.000 It is Brayden in what other town? Craftsbury, you know, of course, Craftsbury was. 00:20:26.000 --> 00:20:31.000 Really pushing in there for their survey about agriculture. 00:20:31.000 --> 00:20:36.000 I mean, because that's their agricultural school and university used to be there. 00:20:36.000 --> 00:20:42.000 And but yeah, there. So, you know, their questionnaire. 00:20:42.000 --> 00:20:47.000 Has a lot of questions in it. That, uh. 00:20:47.000 --> 00:20:57.000 How they want to keep agriculture domain. focus of their time. So I I looked through the questions and and they broke it up into. 00:20:57.000 --> 00:21:17.000 They said about the respondents, you know, they had things about their community and culture, land use and the environment, infrastructure service. This is the different sections of the of the survey, and uh… And then they did qualitative survey data results. 00:21:17.000 --> 00:21:26.000 When you talked with Allison, did she say, Hey, I can come to a meeting soon, and we can start talking about how to develop. 00:21:26.000 --> 00:21:49.000 you know, interest from others. I mean, what is the next step with with the Mvda? I didn't push it yet. Oh, but I that will be we need to get online. Well, that's that's it. Waiting list. Yeah, no, she says she's going to have time now, so… I was gonna approach her again and say, or unless she offers something, but, um… 00:21:49.000 --> 00:21:55.000 I had said, you know, panel discussion is something we want to talk about, so. 00:21:55.000 --> 00:22:06.000 She did go through community and culture. Okay, here's… here's some of the questions they… that Craftsbury did. Keep our working lands. This is, you know. 00:22:06.000 --> 00:22:18.000 for against or you know the. level of 5 answers or something. Let's keep our working lands, agriculture and forestry economically viable. 00:22:18.000 --> 00:22:28.000 Now, I think that's kind of what you were talking about, you know, let's not let them be developed in another way. Keep them, you know, like we can use them. 00:22:28.000 --> 00:22:34.000 The next one is make Craftsberry a welcoming and inclusive community for all. 00:22:34.000 --> 00:22:49.000 And then the next one is, make it possible for elders to safely age in place. I don't know if you guys know Pam and I have been going through for the last 3 months. My neighbor, Tony Evans. Yeah. 00:22:49.000 --> 00:22:56.000 Yeah, and he's failing badly, you know, and he's, uh… We've been over there all the time, and he went to the hospital. 00:22:56.000 --> 00:23:16.000 four times falling and stuff and he's not probably not going to come back home, but um… That's the type of thing, is, you know… We're an aging town. He's an aging town, and, you know, he had nobody, really, uh, eventually Chris came back up, because he was doing so badly. 00:23:16.000 --> 00:23:22.000 and there's a possibility. They go back in his house because I don't know anywhere to put them. 00:23:22.000 --> 00:23:27.000 And I was in hospital for weeks, taking up a hospital bed and he's. 00:23:27.000 --> 00:23:37.000 It just can't move. You know, so. But, you know, it is something. People came like when. 00:23:37.000 --> 00:23:48.000 people learned about it that you know he was in trouble, and uh… I mean, uh… Claire and David Perkins were fantastic. They came over and helped us a lot. 00:23:48.000 --> 00:24:00.000 And, uh… But, you know, we don't have… what do we do with somebody like that? Things to think about in a town like this, like, how could we set up some kind of a. 00:24:00.000 --> 00:24:18.000 Well, in somebody who's a little more capable that they can kind of take care of themselves, but they need help. Yeah. And that's where, I mean, we did get into the Council on Aging and the VNA and there could have been a lot of support for someone that was, he has a lot of difficulty at night. 00:24:18.000 --> 00:24:34.000 So that wasn't going to work. But anyway, I saw I noticed. I mean, there's so many of us that are, you know, got a lot of people looking at 80, don't we? Well, this is, you know, that that question came up in their survey, and this is while I'm going through this with my neighbor, you know, it was like, yeah. 00:24:34.000 --> 00:24:44.000 Is there something to address? And then make housing affordable for young families. Now, that's. 00:24:44.000 --> 00:24:54.000 One thing we're kind of. Well, that's the chip program. You don't have the cheap chip program works is they pay for this stuff. 00:24:54.000 --> 00:25:00.000 Like, the infrastructure stuff, by giving the towns a break over 20 years. 00:25:00.000 --> 00:25:28.000 In school tax, tax, and then municipal tax. In other words, you know, up to 85%. I think at some point soon they need to restructure it. I mean… If you look at Stowe or any of these other areas, what they have for infrastructure within the town that's supporting them as far as businesses goes is huge. We don't have that. I know, I know. We don't have a police force, we don't have a fire department, we don't have… I know, we know. 00:25:28.000 --> 00:25:32.000 I can't believe we're still on the same standard. 00:25:32.000 --> 00:25:44.000 Well, that's, you know, that's one of the things, too, and that's that's where the, like… just the equipment in town that we have to support. You know, it's incredible burden. You get a million dollars worth of. 00:25:44.000 --> 00:25:48.000 vehicles over in the Chong Garage, and it's like. 00:25:48.000 --> 00:26:00.000 When they break, it's $50,000 to fix them. So yeah, yeah, that's, you know, that's that's the economy, though, and it's hard to get involved in it. 00:26:00.000 --> 00:26:05.000 But we also have some young families that are looking for community, too. 00:26:05.000 --> 00:26:20.000 You know what I mean, they want other young families to come in. So I think that accessory dwelling thing is really… No, something that really helps, because then people build a little place for their son or their daughter who wants to stay here. 00:26:20.000 --> 00:26:30.000 Um… It says, create an environment that supports local and micro businesses. 00:26:30.000 --> 00:26:38.000 Yeah, that's interesting. It's like. That's a that's a tough question. 00:26:38.000 --> 00:26:43.000 And I, you know, I always thought it was good. But then what's his name? 00:26:43.000 --> 00:26:54.000 Kind of a funny first name of Anne Perkins Lane there. He wanted to open his barbecue business. Was it Gabriel? Do you know his name? 00:26:54.000 --> 00:27:05.000 Mary, the guy who wanted to open the barbecue business at the end of Perkins Lane. Do you remember that? Yeah, he sold it on with Perkins. 00:27:05.000 --> 00:27:22.000 No, you haven't have passed his house. It's his past Ronald's mother's house. It's on the farm. I thought he was trying to sell. Yeah, I think he sold it. He sold it for a little while. He was over at the, uh, Evansville store. I think he sold the farm. 00:27:22.000 --> 00:27:42.000 Oh, we did. Yeah. Yeah. Or it sold on the market. But that, you know, it's just a great environment that supports local and micro businesses, so it was a lot of opposition, because there's going to be more traffic on the road. So, you know… It's just a good question, you know. I don't know what the town would want to do, or you know what? 00:27:42.000 --> 00:27:57.000 That's a good question to ask. We don't provoke these small farms, you gotta have a way for them to help with their goods. Yeah, I know. They do it right in Charleston. Roots does, or Rootson. Yeah. 00:27:57.000 --> 00:28:14.000 I have to. Okay. Oh, you mean they put up signs? Yeah. Egg drop list there for a while, and on the way to school, they dropped a few eggs off, and it's a ticket or two, and then on the way home, they go a different way. 00:28:14.000 --> 00:28:23.000 They're bringing chicken and chicken, well, like they did last year, eggs and pork this year. 00:28:23.000 --> 00:28:38.000 to the farmer's market and they can come every week so that'll be good. They did that on a Saturday. That would be so much. So many farmers markets on a Saturday. That's why we kick yeah not right here, right? I mean Cooper well there is an. 00:28:38.000 --> 00:28:51.000 Newport and St. Johnsbury. Yeah. And really going there. I mean, like, I'm here. But have you done a trial on Saturday to see what the turnout is? 00:28:51.000 --> 00:29:11.000 Part of the other reason is Tian because you're using the hall and the church area, and you know we've got activities going on at that time, although, you know, it really… can be worked out. But if you wouldn't be able to do a wedding or a reception, or, you know, funerals don't have to be on weekends, but. 00:29:11.000 --> 00:29:27.000 There are a few that that would be the one of the things I have to figure out. Yeah, one of what's one thing we figured out was that we're not with our food trucks. We're not really in competition with anybody on a Monday, but we would be on a Friday or Saturday. 00:29:27.000 --> 00:29:52.000 And the other thing is we're very dependent on that tourist traffic. So people just coming by for the day, people staying on their cottages on Saturday. By Monday, they need to get vegetables, you know, I think it's just hard, like, if you're a farm and you're both working, then you're not getting there. Yeah. Oh, you mean for like distribution to have like little stand. Yeah, you can't be there because you're both working right now. 00:29:52.000 --> 00:30:05.000 That makes sense, but we found that a lot of the folks that are going to the big markets on Saturday are really happy to come with to us on Monday because they still have stuff. So it's kind of that's the fireflies someplace on Friday. 00:30:05.000 --> 00:30:13.000 Sunday they go to lover and then they come to us. So there is a flight problem too is there's if you get too. 00:30:13.000 --> 00:30:29.000 groups or two farms that are selling basically the same thing. They get a little upset, a little competition. No gunfights, but it was a lot of sourdough bread let me just say it's sold though. 00:30:29.000 --> 00:30:42.000 I don't feel like we had one Bill Manning came, that was a whole other hit for vegetables. But, you know, he's got such a history, and… you know, people love seeing them and his vegetables were good, and I did the pricing, we had to do the pricing, where you go around and. 00:30:42.000 --> 00:30:49.000 I would go to all the vendors and write down and they were they were all about the same. So it wasn't like anyone was undercutting anybody. 00:30:49.000 --> 00:30:56.000 I think somebody did it right. The next question is, encourage a broad range of affordable housing options. 00:30:56.000 --> 00:31:01.000 Oh, nice. Yeah, I mean, we can encourage that, but I don't know. 00:31:01.000 --> 00:31:07.000 You know, exactly what we do. I mean, another thought is like. 00:31:07.000 --> 00:31:19.000 What they're… what… The State is encouraging is like urban areas around here. We don't have an urban area, but we do allow. I mean, if, say, someone. 00:31:19.000 --> 00:31:26.000 Had some land, and they wanted to. I'm looking at, you know, right around here. 00:31:26.000 --> 00:31:41.000 Because this is the town center. This is a designated village center right here. Yeah, downtown Westmore. And, but, you know, so this is downtown, so say, I don't know, they'll just use Willoughby Farm here. 00:31:41.000 --> 00:31:50.000 That, um, they wanted to encourage housing. Well. I think you could get through. 00:31:50.000 --> 00:31:56.000 to put. 2 duplexes. 00:31:56.000 --> 00:32:03.000 on their land. you know right next to each other. Now that, you know, town bylaws don't support that. 00:32:03.000 --> 00:32:19.000 But I think you could do it. I think the State would have setback. Why? Why wouldn't the bylaws? If you look at it carefully, they have like one house per thing. You can have a duplex, but. 00:32:19.000 --> 00:32:34.000 According to our bylaws, you couldn't put two of them on one cluster housing. Yeah, but you're saying, like, all that thing. Well, if they… if they used all that land, but if they cut out, like, 2 acres to put these houses on, they probably couldn't do that, you know, but. 00:32:34.000 --> 00:32:50.000 So you'd have to play with it. But it should stay like in character of the area. I mean, it should just build small houses closer together. Yeah, you know, can't stop what they want. I think they're encouraging, like, that cluster and then leave a lot of land that's not developed, rather than have big. 00:32:50.000 --> 00:32:54.000 lots of land. Yeah, well, they don't want 10 acres of townhouses. 00:32:54.000 --> 00:33:05.000 You know, I mean, that's… that's the way it's been done in the past. Everybody gets their one acre lot, they do infrastructure around them, and you know… And then you have… No forest, no. 00:33:05.000 --> 00:33:15.000 open land at all. So there was a NPR show today and they were talking to the town planner in Austin that had been such a housing shortage there. 00:33:15.000 --> 00:33:27.000 Austin, Texas. And it's a bit of a leap of course you're going to town and so on. But the planner said, we started considering things we wouldn't have considered before just that opening of mind. 00:33:27.000 --> 00:33:38.000 And they found that the amount of parking they were allotting. People were using about 70% of that. So that opened up land there as well. They had a view line, too. You couldn't have anything. 00:33:38.000 --> 00:33:51.000 At a certain height above. 500 feet, which was huge. They'd keep me out in the middle of the field. They changed it to 75 feet yeah and just look at it there's individual things and a lot of times. 00:33:51.000 --> 00:34:06.000 It made differences they didn't expect, you know, they instead of 100 units of a town that size, they get 135. You know, instead of 14 houses, is there. There were 40 and and and just just ways to make it economical. 00:34:06.000 --> 00:34:12.000 And, of course, opening it up to work with them as well. Housing comes back as being so much of the issue. 00:34:12.000 --> 00:34:36.000 Because of the proximity. And if we belabor so on. So it may not be big sweeping things that we do. Well, no, that's like the thing of housing is somebody just putting an accessory dwelling place on the property. It's like we create seven houses that way. I mean, we've… how long is this housing crunch gonna last? That's the other thing. You put this all this into place. 00:34:36.000 --> 00:34:40.000 in 30 years, there's going to be a huge surplus. 00:34:40.000 --> 00:34:47.000 Maybe with if they stick with the immigration regulations they have right now. 00:34:47.000 --> 00:35:03.000 We're going the other way, you know? Series really attractive as other places get so hot. So even within our country. It was 110 degrees in Phoenix yesterday. Oh, yeah, it's all people actually we've already had people that are. 00:35:03.000 --> 00:35:23.000 came because of the California fires and a lot of the heat in Arizona, and so I think that we're in a prime area for people to move to, because when you talk about it's a little crazy. We're talking about housing, too. It's like during the worst housing crisis, when everybody's saying, we lost all our money and the houses are terrible, you can do that. There were areas that were growing. 00:35:23.000 --> 00:35:32.000 Yeah. And that's, you know, you can't say housing is national. Yeah, because it's not, and it's. 00:35:32.000 --> 00:35:36.000 you know, again, I'm not a real estate guy, but. 00:35:36.000 --> 00:35:50.000 the. trend is going to be, they say, we're the best places to live? And they say, we're the worst places to live. And everybody's moving to the worst places. They're moving to Phoenix and Texas, because it's affordable and they get jobs there. 00:35:50.000 --> 00:36:01.000 But you know, when it does become people start leaving those areas, then you know they said, what's the best place is New England's one of the best places. 00:36:01.000 --> 00:36:17.000 So, you know, it's like, can we plan on tons of people coming in? No, because, you know, we don't have the jobs and stuff, but will there be a… I don't think the land will go down in value there. But I think, too, you're not looking at putting a whole lot of money into doing this as much as. 00:36:17.000 --> 00:36:37.000 supporting it, you know, making it more feasible for those kinds of things for young families to move in for there to be affordable housing, that kind of stuff. When you're looking at at your the town plan and bylaws. It's more about how can you encourage this rather than discourage it? Yeah, and I I get your point, because but we're not talking huge amounts of housing either an extra 7, 8, 10 houses. 00:36:37.000 --> 00:36:42.000 You know, it would be a good place to start. And then if the demand goes up, then. 00:36:42.000 --> 00:36:55.000 You know, we can do more, but… But again, it's that's the foundations under your cabins, Greg, go up 2 stories. I know. There you go. 00:36:55.000 --> 00:37:04.000 condo city right there. Year-round. Okay, uh, range of affordable housing. 00:37:04.000 --> 00:37:08.000 The problem with all that, though, is, of course, you're septic. 00:37:08.000 --> 00:37:15.000 Right? Yeah. We have these problems with wastewater right on the water. Yeah. 00:37:15.000 --> 00:37:25.000 That's, you know, I… I'm not gonna do that. Yeah, no, I don't agree. I mean, I've kind of joked about that at Lakeside, you know. It's like, this is a great. 00:37:25.000 --> 00:37:41.000 older home, you know, it's 800 square feet right on the water. It's flat. I could walk in easily when I get to be an age. I can't walk the bedrooms. We made the bathroom handicap. 00:37:41.000 --> 00:37:59.000 bedrooms are small, and it's great. I mean, it's a perfect place, but it's not… it's on post, you know? Yeah. But there I don't have Rita. I don't really have the ability to do septic. Yeah, you don't know, though. It's like our place we've got pretty good, but. 00:37:59.000 --> 00:38:07.000 I think… I think they'll, you know. In the future, we have to tell the State, you know, we want to turn this into housing. 00:38:07.000 --> 00:38:15.000 And… They said, can you find a septic system that would work for us? They're developing them, aren't they? 00:38:15.000 --> 00:38:24.000 Yeah. And then it's like, okay, well, we don't, you know, I'm gonna have to put $150,000 into this house to make it. 00:38:24.000 --> 00:38:35.000 flood proof, and to make it, you know. more quality. Let's say, well, we're going to sell it for 350. So, you know, what do you want to do? 00:38:35.000 --> 00:38:41.000 Maybe I'll put $150,000 it. So. You know. 00:38:41.000 --> 00:38:50.000 You can't tell what's going to happen. Okay, next one. This is a good one. Encourage more people to volunteer in community efforts. 00:38:50.000 --> 00:38:56.000 Now. We've had that question. 00:38:56.000 --> 00:39:05.000 Yeah. Well… There's no white hair here. There's the. 00:39:05.000 --> 00:39:19.000 Path Forward Group. They got a lot of people to come in. They really came to the original meetings. Yeah, and a lot of people stayed, and a lot of people still doing it, you know? And, I mean, youth. 00:39:19.000 --> 00:39:34.000 Yeah. In both groups. Yeah. And the farm's market. Yeah. But I, you know, I and I think that's one thing. Was it Jason Portuger that he's the he's the new slide expert. 00:39:34.000 --> 00:39:46.000 Yeah. Okay. Yeah. So he's a young guy. the, uh… Anyway, you know, that's a good question, I think. Well, I think that's one reason that fire departments. 00:39:46.000 --> 00:39:56.000 having a lot more of a presence that's young people. Yeah, yeah, are they? They're short, though, aren't they? They don't have enough people. They're looking. Yeah. 00:39:56.000 --> 00:40:06.000 So you've got some energy. And then encourage more people to participate in civic matters, which is the same idea, I guess. 00:40:06.000 --> 00:40:15.000 Um… Yeah, and promote a local economy that is focused on year-round recreation. 00:40:15.000 --> 00:40:30.000 What do they have open craft for me? They have a don't they have a big? Yeah, that's, uh, cross-country skiing, stuff like that, right? But that's one of the things like we tried to do a little bit like Jen's been good at getting some things going outside. 00:40:30.000 --> 00:40:46.000 Yeah. They do mountain biking? The thing is, you know, we could do cross-country skiing, right? I mean, we have everything on the south end, and our land ties right into that down there. Yeah. Both sides of the road. 00:40:46.000 --> 00:41:02.000 Yeah. Yeah. It's true. In the Select Board meeting, there was talk about now looking at that forest. What the one on Long Pond has been looked at and. 00:41:02.000 --> 00:41:18.000 You know, there was a report that came from the Forester, and I think the town is interested in trying to look at that acreage at the next to the dump, the transfer station area. 00:41:18.000 --> 00:41:24.000 I don't think there's really any awareness or knowledge of how much. 00:41:24.000 --> 00:41:41.000 In this land, the town. I was shocked. They don't know. So we just start looking at pieces. Yeah. Oh, I think that's ours. So, yeah. That's true. I mean, even the little town forest over here, you know, that that's the recreation. 00:41:41.000 --> 00:41:58.000 And so it's just. But again, it's the big discussion of, okay, so you develop these, and then you get these people moving in, and we then we have to pay as residents. We have to pay to for the infrastructure that. 00:41:58.000 --> 00:42:11.000 is needed to be maintained, and that's, you know, where that's where you charge. I mean, I think you have to do like QR code stands. 00:42:11.000 --> 00:42:20.000 you know, and and I think I think Deb was brought that up in the in the path forward meetings when we had a forestry group. 00:42:20.000 --> 00:42:28.000 Yeah, they've talked about putting a QR code up at the top for us. Yeah, and Sentinel Rock, of course. There wouldn't be a chart, but it would be a donation. 00:42:28.000 --> 00:42:35.000 What's that mean? A QR code for pay pay. Yeah. 00:42:35.000 --> 00:42:41.000 donate. 00:42:41.000 --> 00:42:52.000 You don't have this infrastructure out in the woods. You've got a connection to it. 00:42:52.000 --> 00:42:58.000 Or in Florida, they have beaches and you go probably town or. 00:42:58.000 --> 00:43:10.000 or state or both. And you go to one of these stands and you put your credit card in, you type in your car license plate number. 00:43:10.000 --> 00:43:19.000 and you're paying for however long you're going to stay. And occasionally somebody will go around and look at license plate numbers, and if it comes up. 00:43:19.000 --> 00:43:35.000 But it didn't pay. They gotcha. So it's all pretty unmanned. Let's call it. Yeah. It's an honor system. I mean, I think their their volume that they have one man can cover. 00:43:35.000 --> 00:44:00.000 4,000 cars up here. We're gonna pay somebody to do it. We might as well pay somebody to sit there instead of the infrastructure costs. I don't think… Right, I think that's what Bill's talking about right now as a test. It's still undecided whether or not they are going to charge if there is some, you know, a backlash about that altogether, and there's a situation with the existing early leash that was a part of the purchase of that. 00:44:00.000 --> 00:44:08.000 I mean if you can charge if we can keep adding taxes to business owners in this town. 00:44:08.000 --> 00:44:23.000 that equivalents to what was it? $7,000 last year when we're we're giving away 30,000 on the beach. Yeah, that makes no sense right? It doesn't make any sense to me stepping over dollars to pick up dimes. 00:44:23.000 --> 00:44:34.000 in this town. I was at a meeting where the select board had a guy that's in charge of the grant. 00:44:34.000 --> 00:44:43.000 The town got to purchase that property. and at least one of the select board was of the opinion that. 00:44:43.000 --> 00:44:49.000 No way could the town charge for people to park there. This guy said, oh yeah, they can. 00:44:49.000 --> 00:45:06.000 They can charge. They can't charge differently for local residents as opposed to out of towners. That's too bad. You know, we think that I don't know how that can be worked out. I think I think you could work that out. There's people and interpret it by well. 00:45:06.000 --> 00:45:21.000 You know, that's not really what it says. You can get around that by this way and that way. So it's it's very undecided what that means. Seriously. Just put it in the tax bill. 00:45:21.000 --> 00:45:31.000 Right? If you want a season's fast, it's 200 bucks a year. It shows up in your tax bill is taken out. Nothing changes dollar-wise in your tax bill. 00:45:31.000 --> 00:45:47.000 But it shows on the tax bill that you were charged $200 for seasons pass. Well, that's it, yeah. So it's $200 for season pass or you could even make it $50 for a season pass. And if somebody goes to park there, you say you can pay us $5 now or buy a season pass. 00:45:47.000 --> 00:45:52.000 And then if you have a season pass, then you get in, you know, but… Yeah. 00:45:52.000 --> 00:46:04.000 downtown tax. That's equal for everybody. They can get a season pass if they want. That's what he's suggesting right for the residents. Well, any anybody who has tax bill. 00:46:04.000 --> 00:46:10.000 Yeah. Just write it in the tax bill that they paid $200. 00:46:10.000 --> 00:46:15.000 That's right to use the beach. Yeah, that right. That's the whole deal. 00:46:15.000 --> 00:46:25.000 You just own up the taxes, and you just throw it in theirs. Yeah, but what she's saying is, is that the argument is that the residents don't want to pay. 00:46:25.000 --> 00:46:41.000 So your suggestion is kind of cool, but it's the residents that would be paying and they're objecting to that. Yeah, but it just goes into the general fund. So your taxes don't go up. No. It shows up as it does. If they know that, then. 00:46:41.000 --> 00:46:46.000 Yeah. It's sort of included in what you're getting by paying your taxes. Yeah. 00:46:46.000 --> 00:46:52.000 It's like getting the transfer station. Yeah. 00:46:52.000 --> 00:46:59.000 There has to be some Korean way to make it work. I still think the tourists should be paying for it. They should. That's what I think. 00:46:59.000 --> 00:47:14.000 volume scale. And how many local residents go there? No one visits. Well, there are a few, but not as they're used to, and the one that we… Here. 00:47:14.000 --> 00:47:26.000 you know, we know who they are, you know, and they're the ones that are speaking up against it. But how does that measure against those that are residents and don't ever pay for it? 00:47:26.000 --> 00:47:33.000 Right. And if you walk in, would that be okay? 00:47:33.000 --> 00:47:39.000 you know. Are you only going to charge for parking? So if I can walk. 00:47:39.000 --> 00:47:48.000 you know, from here to the beach and from here to the Portify. Here's a portafide and then come back. 00:47:48.000 --> 00:47:57.000 Well, I found that when I started educating somebody when they were complaining about us charging, it melted right away. They didn't realize we paid 30,000 for. 00:47:57.000 --> 00:48:27.000 I think you're right. We're breaking the beach, you've got work town crew going down there. You've got everything you're maintaining. Yeah. And I realize that they're… No, they're leading the way money anyway. I think it needs to be… uphold more often, for sure. Yeah. That's what I tell people is that the port potties are under $8,000. I think it's like $18,000. Yeah, that's $18,000. Yeah. I'm just thinking it's part of. 00:48:29.000 --> 00:48:37.000 Yeah, thanks for being a cinema right? So it's included in your taxes, just like all the other costs that we are funding, and. 00:48:37.000 --> 00:48:54.000 You know, that way people don't feel I mean, they are getting preferential over people that come out. I mean, both that and the transfer station when you're getting your tax bill, you should get beach pass and the dump pass for that year. Because when I'm down there, I see cars coming this way. 00:48:54.000 --> 00:48:59.000 I know, I know. Quite often to the transfer station. Yeah. 00:48:59.000 --> 00:49:24.000 Yeah, they don't check there. Transfer station. Glad the Planning Commission doesn't have anything to do with that. I think the sticker is probably the sticker is for years, yeah. In the early years. I've been here. In the last 20, I think. I've been here for 16 years and I bought two stickers. 00:49:24.000 --> 00:49:29.000 There's no you know I have it on my car, and then nobody ever asked. 00:49:29.000 --> 00:49:37.000 Yeah. But, you know, I wouldn't mind paying $10 a year for a sticker either. That's not a big deal. 00:49:37.000 --> 00:49:52.000 Okay, that that's the end of their questions. Now, they have other questions here. This is pretty, I mean, how many pages is this thing? But you're going to forward it to me. Yeah, that's right. It's 10 pages, but they have one question. It's like question. 00:49:52.000 --> 00:50:05.000 How can we better support our residents in their daily lives? And like… For access to clean drinking water. Yeah. I know. 00:50:05.000 --> 00:50:19.000 Help those who are food insecure, make our roads, bridges and culverts less prone to flood damage. Be prepared for the next disaster. Lake Craftsway roads safe and passable for all users. I mean. 00:50:19.000 --> 00:50:35.000 I don't know if we are survey to do that kind of stuff. Yeah, I know. We have so many of those kinds of questions on that. You heard that they got a really good return, but I don't know with something this long, I can't believe they got it. And it was. 00:50:35.000 --> 00:50:58.000 No, they said really good return. I think, and I think it was, uh… rainy weekend. They got 192. So, Greg, I was curious. Did you get a feeling from this Mike Harris that Mvda was they were happy with them working? Yeah. 00:50:58.000 --> 00:51:06.000 Yeah, I appreciate their help, and… He said, all they know. They do all of a lot of them. 00:51:06.000 --> 00:51:14.000 Number 10 Dohan and I'll just. help with the structure of the whole thing, which is knowing what. 00:51:14.000 --> 00:51:18.000 It's legal to put in there, and how to put it in. 00:51:18.000 --> 00:51:33.000 Right. But they have a group working on rewriting it. The is the planning commission doing that? I think planning commission is doing it. I'm not sure on that, but that's where they yeah. Yeah. 00:51:33.000 --> 00:51:37.000 Burke is, uh, I think they hired somebody to do it. 00:51:37.000 --> 00:51:42.000 I think they got an agent. He didn't mention that. No. 00:51:42.000 --> 00:51:46.000 So the MDEA. That might be their agent, they might use them, yeah. 00:51:46.000 --> 00:51:50.000 No, they, the it says about the respondents on the. 00:51:50.000 --> 00:51:58.000 They had… did math. 00:51:58.000 --> 00:52:13.000 160 people. That's not. I think we had a lot more than the size of the town. Well, yeah. But I mean, return rates on surveys are low. So you get like a 30%. They were pretty happy. That's supposed to be really good. Yeah. 00:52:13.000 --> 00:52:18.000 Yeah, I thought it was real low. I knew they didn't get that much of the. 00:52:18.000 --> 00:52:27.000 And then you'd have to see the percentage. But, uh… Oh, okay. 00:52:27.000 --> 00:52:41.000 Zeb is leaving. Yeah, we told him, go out through the basement, fight with the dogs. Yeah, that's right. George wants to go home with them. 00:52:41.000 --> 00:52:52.000 All right. So now, I think… by next meeting, um… I should have a lot of information from NVDA. 00:52:52.000 --> 00:53:01.000 So we can start planning our panel discussion. Do you think it's worth inviting Allison to come to this? I can do that. Yeah. See what she wants to do. 00:53:01.000 --> 00:53:07.000 I want to define it better exactly what we're going to do and how it's going to be. 00:53:07.000 --> 00:53:20.000 put together, you know. Its purpose, I know, what they want is to get the people of Westmore involved in the process. 00:53:20.000 --> 00:53:35.000 And they said, you know. I would like it to be like a panel discussion where I have faith, say we have five people, and I think we shouldn't have a lot more than that for experts on each thing and like Jared would be there. 00:53:35.000 --> 00:53:44.000 And have them, and each one have an introduction of what they… are covering, you know, what part of the town plan. 00:53:44.000 --> 00:53:49.000 is relevant to them, and then go through a question and a little speech about. 00:53:49.000 --> 00:53:52.000 You know, what they can do and can't do. 00:53:52.000 --> 00:54:00.000 And then have a question and answer period for each one of them. You know, keep it to like 15 minutes for each person. 00:54:00.000 --> 00:54:19.000 But NVDA is probably looking for the method of getting input from Westmore residents. So so yeah, you that part is having the panel presented, but then how are you going to gather information? The answer question answer very what we did with the paths forward group. 00:54:19.000 --> 00:54:32.000 is we broke in it to different interests, and then it was recorded. Every interest was recorded and then broken down from that, so that. 00:54:32.000 --> 00:54:37.000 you. You've got, you know, core groups and core. 00:54:37.000 --> 00:54:43.000 categories. And you can't do that. 00:54:43.000 --> 00:54:55.000 by yourselves, you know that that's the part that you you can do a question and answer, but that still doesn't. Are you going to have a note taker to, you know, write these things down, and then. 00:54:55.000 --> 00:55:13.000 Well, we should have… Yeah, we should do minutes, and we should have it recorded, too, so… Well, I didn't mean… you know, voice recorded. I meant recorded, right? So that everybody sees it that, you know. Yeah. Did you go to any of the COP4 meetings? 00:55:13.000 --> 00:55:28.000 I went to one or two. Yeah. you know, breaking down into smaller groups to get more feedback, it's easier to record. I think Mba helped with the structure, too. Yeah. Good to talk to. Yeah. 00:55:28.000 --> 00:55:34.000 Yeah. They're the ones promoting it, so they must have information. Yeah. 00:55:34.000 --> 00:55:43.000 So, uh… I don't know, it's… it's, um, after going through those questions. 00:55:43.000 --> 00:55:55.000 I'm just one thing here. 00:55:55.000 --> 00:56:10.000 Are you doing the. continue discussion of the town plan update. Is that are you in the old business right now? Yeah, I think that that's what we're entering to now, and that that was basically. 00:56:10.000 --> 00:56:19.000 you know, NVDA is the future of our. Our next meeting. I think we should focus. 00:56:19.000 --> 00:56:24.000 on. Getting back on track. 00:56:24.000 --> 00:56:38.000 Well, this is the summer that you have to get the the the information from residents, because then you can use the winner to compile it and get the wording. This will be over in October. 00:56:38.000 --> 00:56:42.000 Yeah, yeah, that's when the grant will come through. So. 00:56:42.000 --> 00:56:50.000 Yeah. So, you know, it has to be done by October. So every all our input. 00:56:50.000 --> 00:56:59.000 But some of our residents won't be here in September or October. Oh, yeah, no, I'd like to get it done in the spring, actually, get all the information. 00:56:59.000 --> 00:57:17.000 You can tweak it. Well, there are people in residence here in the spring, but they're gone in 2 weeks. They're not staying. They're just not going for a walk. Yeah. 00:57:17.000 --> 00:57:23.000 Alright, any other ideas or questions, or… 00:57:23.000 --> 00:57:34.000 Motion to adjourn. Chapter minutes. Please. Oh, yeah, we got to accept. Hopefully you all got them. Do I couldn't bring agenda. 00:57:34.000 --> 00:57:35.000 I… 00:57:35.000 --> 00:57:36.000 All in favor? Aye. Who's seconding? 00:57:36.000 --> 00:57:46.000 Well, is. And he's been here. 00:57:46.000 --> 00:57:53.000 I don't let me zoom. Representative. Okay, so the meeting's adjourned. 00:57:53.000 --> 00:57:58.000 and… Yep. 00:57:58.000 --> 00:58:05.000 When's the next one? You had a date. This one snuck up on me. 00:58:05.000 --> 00:58:10.000 But I'd like to be honest so I can go to your case. 00:58:10.000 --> 00:58:27.000 Saying. What's that? I said, I would like 6, even though it's supposed to be… it's the day after Memorial Day. But I would love it if it was just in there, so I wouldn't have to conceal it. That's all going on. Next month is April 28th is the meeting. 00:58:27.000 --> 00:58:44.000 But the night before it didn't seem to be anybody when I get down through there's a couple of big rocks. 00:58:44.000 --> 00:59:00.000 I think it hurt that at all. Oh, I should follow. And then I get some older metal thing. That was a trend on milk. 00:59:00.000 --> 00:59:30.000 Yeah, you didn't stick around. No, no real harmony and running us around. Weird. Like, because I check nothing during the day at all. 00:59:34.000 --> 00:59:41.000 Probably at night, but I really must have came straight through. It looks like they almost were coming. 00:59:41.000 --> 00:59:47.000 Yeah. I'm trying to make a turn down my driveway. 00:59:47.000 --> 01:00:03.000 Well, the one that went open plantings. Yeah, they'll be all right. What the hell happened? Yeah. 01:00:03.000 --> 01:00:11.000 You know? Oh, I didn't realize that. Sony's still in the hospital. 01:00:11.000 --> 01:00:16.000 Yeah, you can't. He can't. He can't physically move. 01:00:16.000 --> 01:00:24.000 And they they get scared. He can't think right. I don't know what I'm doing. 01:00:24.000 --> 01:00:30.000 And it's scary for me honestly. Oh, yeah. You can't come back. He's gotta go. Go right back, he'll fall, and he won't go right up. 01:00:30.000 --> 01:00:42.000 Particularly becauseBut,